Just got back from AZ. Went to 3 points and did some shooting w/ my dad's guns. He got a new one at Big5 for $89, a Swiss K-31 straight pull in 7.5 swiss...... this was a real gem. groups at 100yds were no more than 1.5" and we took it all the way back to 600yds shooting at sillouettes and it was a dream..... open sights I could smack the ram 80% of the time, theflags told us that the wind was howling but it didn't seem to matter. This was done w/ surplus ammo. I did better with the K31 than I did w/ a scoped 270 shooting 140btsp!