i did consider myself a vetern by them descriptions...i never said i was THAT good lol......i knew better then to do that...i told myself not to last week! lol.....oh well live and learn....thats whatll make me better...the logged area is really wierd and hard to describe...the hillsides are so steep it isnt funny...they roost right about even with the flat i hunt them on...and normally fly down onto the flat and feed and do their turkey stuff....theres actually NO sign to the right...which is the logged area...its all left in an old orchard...and some oaks..its a real nice bottle neck/flat/point....and thats where 2 birds went when i called..i actually seen where they walked through the field and then went back into the woods.....im not sure if i should hunt the field...or in the woods...i dont wanna set up in the woods and have them come through the field and me not know it...and i dont wanna set up facing the field and have them take the woods and me not know it.....but im hoping htey will go my direction...i probably wont call until they hit the ground...if they go right though i just may be screwed...but i dont think they do that anymore...in the fall they do but right now the old pasture they feed in in the fall is WAY to think...i cant walk in it...i dont think they will...and theres no sign there....as you can tell i should have patterned them better since things changed back there lol.....but i been busy with college and such and havent had time to get out in the mornings...but i got 2 whole weeks to hunt them if needed....so if they dont come ill try something diffrent....hopefully they dont ALL have hens...we shall see what happens.....i might have to go back on my word of longbeards only...i only got 2 spring birds under my belt...both longbeards..i need to get my nerves under a little control lol....sometimes im calm as can be....sometimes i jump the gun and do stupid things like yesterday..... we shall see when the time comes......im hunting tue and thursday up at school if all goes as planned...i dont think i have much work to do this week...just final review stuff in class....so i think ill have hunting time up there too......