topdogwoffwoff......I will be as nice as possible.....the less you say the better off you are, and im only 22 and ive probably forgot more about deer hunting then you will ever know. I need no praise for this deer this one was a 170 ive killed a 211 in canada and 2 in the 160s in ks, I was just lucky enough to hunt with the mossyoak camo cameras. so in a nut shell i need no respect, respect is earned not given. so im asking you are you looking for respect.....Maybe when you "was a young lad 15" your treehugging family failed to say "SON A CLOSED MOUTH GATHERS NOFOOT".....and to my fellow hunters that have posted and defended me on this subject i appreciate you, and your why we do what we do........and for the record im not hiding my handle being napahunter and not napa8756 my password wouldnt work so imodified my name.