cayugad I was shootin 70grns of triple seven 2f, does this sound about right? Will this have the energy to put down these elk here in Utah? Sabotloader my favorite bullet with the plastic is the hornandy XTP mags452 300 grainer with the knight high pressure sabots and the harvester sabots along with the speer gold dots 300 grain also the 452 do you guys think these will group good and also how muchpowder should I start out with these two bullets?