In reply to ELKampMaster: This year we're going to keep it close to home since it is my first year with rifle and hunt around Woodland Park since we know the area well. Not abundant elk, but we've been hunting it archery for several years and usually manage to find out where a few are hiding. Getting close enough for an archery shot has been a problem. The guys I work with hunt Vail and also Saguache quite a bit, but they don't always come back with an animal either.