Mouthcaller, Maybe I have taken this in the wrong way. I can understand that hunters have different hearing levels and you are correct to terrian could very well change the way hearing could be brought across to a hunter. It is intersting , because I am frequency deaf at a low level. Back ground noise plays a awful job with my hearing , but I don't seem to have a problem hearing the level of the spit and drum as long as there is no noise to intercept the sound.

I'm sorry I maybe over reacted on this. I have a problem with being bashed as soon as I express an opinion and would soon sit to the sidelines.

I kinda feel as if I lied to everyone about this issue and I know I am not misleading anyone with my opinion.

I did have one hunt just not to lang ago in Florida , that I worked a Drumming bird for well over and hour. I could not see this bird what so ever , so he could have been only 50 - 60 yards away , but I could see a good 30 yards in the clear so I knew he was out past that range. It did take that bird over an hour to come in only drumming and I could follow the route he walked with the call he was making. We never did get that bird , but he did come into view some 30 yards away , but on the wrong side of the shooters tree.

You do a good job at helping others as I have seen and read a lot of your posts and I fully appreacate that and I'm sure most do here as well.

I really don't know how to end this , so I will stop. Thanks for clearing it up
...BT