at one point i was tinkering with some varget loads in my 30-30 I was pushing 150 grain power points with 34 grains varget. they would shoot decent 50 yard groups with iron sights in about the 1 inch range.

Then I got a wild hair when I saw the youth loads on hodgdon's website using H4895 in reduced loads I checked out the load data available but nothing for 150 grain and heavier bullets so I called hodgdon and asked them what would be the minimum charge and/or start charge for a youth load using a 150 grain bullet which they told me was 20.5 grains well I played with 20.5 grains for a bit which was pretty fun it turned the 30-30 into a puky little gun I had alot fun plinkin with it though accuracy on paper was horrible as I pushed the load up a bit the accuracy got better I think I stopped at 22 grains. later I started loading some varmint loads for my 223 using 25 grains h4895. Now I just use the same 25 grain charge for both the 30-30 and 223 makes it alot easier on me less brain work dialing in the powder throw for different charges.

I have my women shooting the 25 grain load I have yet to chrono it but Im thinkin it will have enough juice to take a deer which the lady is wanting to get into deer hunting since she started shooting the 30-30 and realizing its recoil really isnt bad at all.