i just got back from the range a few minutes ago, i only got six in the kill zone at 30 yds. I shot too low the first and too high the second, and my shoulder couldnt take another shot. i will have to do some quick yard work to make a few bucks so i can buy a sight for my gun. At the time i was using winchester supreme 12g 3in 2oz #4, but i have 3 federal mag shok 3in 1 7/8oz #4s shells, i will give those atry next time.