I never had a problem , with packing a nice lipper in, skoal wintergreen ,i had a nice fork horn come in at 10 yards that i pass during bow season , had some in and i took a nice doe at about 25 yards with m/l again with some dip , one of my friend smokes a;lot he had to put to smokes out the opening day of shotgun and the next day to he ended up shoting a small buck and a doe