that link was the key, thats exactly what I was looking for thnx bearklr, but I am not using the lure for bass I am using it for some monster cuts on this lake that I have a cabin by, there has been a slot limit that anything between 15 and 22 inchs has to be released, because there was some trash fish that were competing with the cuts but once the cuts got big enough they would eat the trash fish, and so now that the majority trash fish are too big for the cuts to eat they are eating mice and other things, cant wait to see how it works, have to wait until the end of may for ice off. I will let you guys know.