Htoler: I think we are all "brand loyal". We respect and learn from each other. I've learned however, if someone asks a question about a brand that I personally have had bad experiences w/ it's better to pm them than post a reply. When I ordered my 1st xbow this go round, I opened the Cabelas catalog and got the fastest fps for the cheapest price. A common error. I then heard about Excals, [pre-puter days] and ordered one of them the next day. UPS brought them both the same day. I never even opened the box w/ Brand X. Before I could return it, a friend bought it. We shot them side by side, and ended up literally blowing his up trying different arrows to get it to group. We could not get a 3" group at 20 yds w/ "it". It was a $350 piece of junk. Yet, there are alot of fans for that brand. Soon after my recent dive into the xbow world, I was at Mal-Wart and got Horton's video on xbow hunting. 19 animals taken w/ ??? You guesseder Lester, Hortons. EVERY shot was right on the money. I'd love to be able to field test them all, but don't really have to, as you guys are doing it for me. Keep shootin what yer shootin and enjoy the sport/addiction.