Not sure how popular the 7 x 65R and the 64 are. Most of the Germans I hunted with used, 7.62 x 63 if I am correct, better known as .30-06. And they are allowed to buy the .308 or were, as the gentleman I hunted for used the .308. Works on pigs and Red Deer. Not used too much for the Roe Deer, too fast and leaves big exit holes and since they sell the meat not good. My partner, German, used a .30-06 as I did, and with a perfect shot on 'blat' heart shot, no damage to the real meat as they don't value the ribs as much. Now some used the .222 or even .223 for Reh deer. I know some that used 8 or 9 mm because it stopped a wild boar, but when you hit a deer, it didn't have time to really expand and left little exit holes. I would say that the 8mm is probably one of the most popular I saw followd by the old standard 06.

As for the load, I was using factory at like 173grain and was getting poor groups, I mean, one close to aim, one completely off target and one three foot low..... three shot group. Almost threw it in the woods. Then I thought, either gun or scope,ssssssssssssooooooooooooo, I grabe the Simmons off my ML and few small adjustments and I was dead on. Stopped by the gunsmith's place, still wasn't satisfied with groups. He suggest 140s or 150s as he said most of them group well in the 7mm cal. So I took both, reloaded 140, 150, and 180. Shot five shot groups, the 150s appeared to be the best group with the 140s behind and the 180s not bad. Seems a good scope, a good reload, and some patient shooting. It is a single barrel, so for sighting I eventually decided to wait like 10 minutes between shots to allow barrel to cool. It was the hottest summer ever saw in Northern NY. Anyway, with a deer target at 100 yards, and rest, and 10 minutes in between, 4 shots were in a quarter sixed group and perfect double lungs.... well on paper, and the one I did shoot bad, the shooter was the blame, was about an inch low and in the heart.

So needless to say, then if everyone else recommends, I will leave here, grab it out of storage, take it to the range, verify everything and on opening of gun season, the 7 x 65R and I will be in the woods! [8D][8D][8D]