Thank you Doug S. I got a bag of AA wads and will be shooting them from now on. What a moneysaver and really good patterns too. They are a bit tight to load but well worth the effort. Also I've found a great over shot card. I bought a 20 pack of 3/4" felt furniture pads at Walmart for $2.27. I leave the paper over the adhesive and put them in felt side down. Its a good firm fit and never had a load work loose and I used up the whole pack. They beat the heck out of those flimsy cards that come with shot cups. I also tried making some out of cardboard with OK results but I'll be using these hardware dept. felt pads from now on. At 11 cents each they won't break the bank. I really appreciate the tip on the wads. 250 for $5.00 compared to 20 for $15.00 of the made for ML shot cups. Nothing left to do now but kill a turkey on 4-1-06, opening day. Then I'll work up a PRB load and then a buckshot load, and then.......