Cardeer,you and I live in two different worlds.You live in a more urban enviroment and I have no doubt what you say about development is true.I live in Rural Clearfield county.I'm surrounded by thousnads of acres of moshannon state forest.The habitat is terrible and there was far too many deer for the habitat to support.I can't possibly feed all the deer under these conditions.

Germain,I agree 100% that we killed alot of those deer and hunters helped reduce the herd.However,I saw the dead deer with my own twoeyes after2004.Two back to back brutal winters with no mast crop devistated therecruitment rates in this area and killed alot of deer.

I'm very familiar with parker dam.In fact I killed a doe off of tyler road on the first day of archery this year.Deer numbers are down there but they've been downbefore herd reductions.You're correct about the beech and other junk growing in that area.Anything of value is out of the reach of the deer.In the late 80's and early 90's,I'm sure that place had a ton of deer from that tornado.That growth is 20 years old now and out of the deers reach.It simply can't support the deer it did 15 years ago.Because the deer had alot of cover after that tornado,they overpopulated the area and destroyed the woods around the blowdowns.That's some of the most pathetic habitat in the state,unless you like ferns.

I see where you're coming from but I have no guilt shooting doe in that area.The numbers will go up again but unless there's browse,we'll go through this cycle again,with or without high antlerless allocations.