I was thinking the same thing Doug. My second muzzle loader ever was the White Mtn. carbine. I love that gun and you can tot it around all day its so nice and light. I'll never sell mine off eather but of corse I never sell any gun I can't he;[ it I just want more and more. But any way when a friend of mine passed his wife sold off his gun collection and another friend of mine bought his WMC for $100.00 and he said it was the best money he ever spent. Mike