cayugad you lucky sucker, congrats on the white. I live about 45min away from the guy who makes the no-excuses but have not yet tried them. I would like to try them in my black diamond how do you think they would perform with the 22 1/2 inch barrel? Im thinking the 460 grainers. What would you suggest as a starting point with powder? I shoot 777 ffg. Also should I use a wad or not?