I just put in a test plot (10X10ft) of this stuff on Monday just to see how it does near my stand. If it comes up, I'll put some more of it out in late August. If it doesn't come up I'm gonna take a soil sample to see what went wrong. I addes 1 lb of 10-10-10 fertilzer and about 15 lbs of lime to the area I put the seeds in. I hope it works.