Thanks cayugad and ENCOREMAN, I just want to clairfy that when I said I would not like to hear any brand bashing I meant like someone saying its crap if its not an omega or something along those lines. What I would like to knowis things that are facts like the trigger on one is to stiff or the barrel will give me trouble or it can't handle heavy loads etc.your guys opinions mean alot as well I have benn reading lots on here and it seems like everyone knows what they are talking about.