As far as Savage/Toby & Randy go, partial he said she said mumbo, truth is so hidden will we ever know what really happened???? I'd just let it die. My experience with both Savage and BPI products has never suggested concerns with safety...IF COMMON SENSE is applied. I personally believeourexperience is very much a valuable commodity. I enjoy hearing other thoughts/experiences/opinions and may chose to implement them or portions of them but in the end what I have experienced isn't tossed aside b/c somebody just said so. Like mentioned above take it with a grain salt. This includes company marketing, gun writers and so on.

In terms of MLing I took it up for one reason only, to extend my hunting season. Same could be said with many other things I have done in regards to this sport, all to further my passion. I am sorry but the challenge for me comes within, not in the piece of equipment I am toting. Just my opinion.

I am a bit tiffed (for lack of a better word) that some think or make it appearsuch "max" loads are required to a kill a deer effectively at 200 yards. I think most experienced shooters will tell you taking an animal at distance is more about the hunter than the rifle or load they are using. I agree such max loads are way over marketed andIalso believe theylargely under utilized in the real world.If you buy based solely on such marketing, you may be very underwhelmed with your choice. Again common sense applies, consider the source. Will Ford say they are weaker than Chevy????