I don't know who came up with the 1000 foot pounds of energy required to kill a deer with a bullet but they are full of it. Deer are not exactly hard to kill. 400 foot pounds or so of KE is all that is needed. I am not talking about shooting it in the eye ball or anything stupid like that. Just a regular ole shot through the boiler room with a regular ole bullet.

Provided the shooter is good enough the 30-30 can easily take deer cleanly with a single shot out beyond 300 yards. If sighted in properly to take advantage of the size of a deers lungs, not what the ballistic charts show with a 100 yard zero, a 150 grain bullet will only be about 7 or 8 inches low at 250 yards and only about 17 or 18 inches low at 300 yards and has plenty enough energy to kill deer sized animals.


BC, The world record 1000 yard smallest group is a 4.2278 inch, 10 shot group, with a 6mmBR. But 2640 yards? I only in a dream and he'd still probably miss.[&:]

The longest shot I personally know of anyone taking on an animal was my father some years ago. A big ole cow elk at just over 400 yards with a 7mm Rem mag.


Buckstalker, THe 300 Win mag has what it takes to kill elk to 700 yards. However I strongly question that the person behind the trigger has what it takes to pull it off. There are people that can do it and do it on a regular basis. However, they are not using factory rifles or factory ammunition and they put in many many hours of range time to be good enough to do it.