I agree with part of your post BBJ. The 308 is a 300-350 yard elk cartridge. That is it retains 1500-1600 lbs ME @ 300-350 yards depending on the bullet used. However on the recoil issue, while nobody will probably feel the recoil of a 300 WM while taking a shot or two or three in field, I Guarentee that many will not set at the bench and take a pounding or practice as much as they should with hard kicking rifles. I am sick to death of hearing thay folks who don't like their brains kicked out and their shoulders bruised are candy a$$'s. It could be that they prefer a little less abuse and use a little more hunting skill so they need not shoot 800 yards at an animal.

I don't mind a little debate and I sure think everone is entitled to their opinion. But if it means name calling and making fun of those who don't see ityour way then those opinions are most likely best left out these discussions. Some people don't like recoil and some of those people are amoung the best hunters that I have ever known. If you can accomplish good clean kills with whatever weapon you choose then what more need be asked.