well ma jay, I guess you thought he was shooting a 7 mag or something [:@]at that 230lb hog. to go thru 8 inches of fat, shield, and muscle and pentrate thru the spine with a 60 lb fairly light setup in most peoples opinion as the arrow wt is around 400 grains and he shoots in the 240 fps range, I thought was great. I did have to crack the spine in order to get it out, to each his own thoughts [:-]