I bought a NEF 7mm-08 Youth model new for 219.00 at Gander Mountain. It shoots well and I really like the gun. You can add thefull lengthstock later for 30.00 bucks or so. The rifle shoots 1 1/2 inches with all loads and a bit better with 140 grain Remingtons. You can even add a shotgun or muzzle loader barrel for less than a 100 bucks.