sabotloader, There is a special spot in this refuge thats coverd with brush where I sit and watched several bucks walk slowly across this long straight dirt road with a ditch on each side, they usually stand and look before they jump to leave the road,after watching 9 deer of which 3 were good buck and all were legal all ranged from 130 to 200 yards none of which did I shoot at But I will put in for a tag there next year [they did not even fill enough to make it a drawing so I am sure of a tag] ofcourse we won't talk about the one that walk out 20yds away and looked the other way,after that I did not have any tags so I had to leave. Next year I will be ready. Lee