I would like to add my two cents worth to this discussion. What is a magnum anyhow, do you even know.The word magnum was orignally used to describe a larger bottle of champaigne. So I guess you could consider anything that is larger than any similar object to be a magnum, and since a 308 win. and a 30-30 win. both use .308 bullets it would be resonable to say the 308 win. is a magnum of the 30-30 win. But think about this the 222rem mag is a magnum, the 22-250 and the 220 swift are not and we all know how they stack up power wise. Most people who can shoot a .300 win magnum or something more powerful well will be awsome with a .243 or .260 rem or any rifle in this power range, you won't even feel recoil. But to get riled up over this is silley, magnum is just a word that gets misused and doesn't have anything to do with power anyway. Besides not long ago if it didn't have a belt it wasn't a magnum at all, or was it?