I've shot American Pioneer Powder 3f only two times now. The old powder which I shot a lot of was called Clean Shot and it great. I was kind of sorry to see my supply of it run out. This new APP seems every bit as nice to shoot and accurate as the Pinnacle. Actually in the Black Diamond XR the other day the APP did a great job. I was shooting 110 grains of the loose 3f APP and the accuracy with Shockwaves was very good.