crud dwd, i've got all 3 of those. i just posted the ultra 3 bt gold for $45 if you're interested. it looks new to me, i only shot it a month or so before moving to a 2 finger. i wouldn't advise starting with a 2 finger though. i may sell the others also. the sabretooth is a 4 finger, and so is the extreme. the extreme is the non-cocking hunting model. its used. the sabretooth is pretty much like new also. i'll tell you this, if you want to learn backtension - the ultra 3 bt gold feels fantastic in you hand - much better than the other 2.