And I agree. And whoever says that the .17 HMR can take down a yote or even badger at that yardage, must of been biten by a rattler, and is now hallucinating[8D]....I am sure it could wound it to the point of making a bleeding shot, but no reliable in my book. I have hit a ground squirrel with the .17 HMR close to 200 yards, at it was a luck shot I have to admit ( I don't admit those rarely ), but I don't rely on it like I said past 160 yards. The .17 HMR is really a fun cartridge, and I have taken head shots at yotes under 120 yards or so, and have had success ( it was the only rifle I had at the time when doing the daily chores on the ranch and nursery), yet when I truly go out yote hunting, I take my trusty .308 Tikka T3. No complaints.