Maytom, I know what you mean there. I used my seat that came with my vest for many years and then left it at a laundromat while drying out my turkey clothes/vest. Then I won a turkey seat at a NWTF banquet. It's one of those black nylon ones where the front two legs are longer than the back and it angles you back towards the tree. I like it and it's good a sling so it goes over my backside when I'm moving. I cracked my tailbone twice in past hockey battles and with the pad I was getting pretty stiff aftersitting for more than 20 minutes or more. With the seat, I'm much more comfortable over longer periods of sitting.