Thanks for the responces guys.

I dont know if it was my wording or what but it must have come across that he has some faults in the woods. He realy dosent, he is a vary good hunter. He dose vary well on woodcock (they hold better then the grouse), he will hold a point on a woodie all day. He has alittle bit harder time with grouse because they tend to run, but some time wekill a domb one.

He is vary obedient, and teaching him has never been that hard. Basicaly what I was wondering is how can I work on refining his skills,we had such a bad year for birds that he didnt get much work in the feild and that is were he gets most of his experiance. That is why I was wondering about the farms.I had a freind take ahis pointerto one and the dog ended up killing all the birds. They were so slow to get off the ground that he would just grab them out of the air.

My dad's dog has become a vary good grouse dog in the last few years (he is 13 or 14 ytears old), maybe it is just somthing he has to learn by doing.

Thanks, and any othe input is welcome.