debob,,thanks for the info on JV..i have used that scent. i cannot tell how the new lure is working, but it must not be that bad...here is my story for today. i hunted from 2-520..i saw another buck that is bigger than the one i saw yesterday...they must be making mistakes right now. this deer was out at 4pm!!! he was checking the scrapes that i had doctored there was one problem. he was 85yds from me...i can only shoot to 60yd...yes 60. i explained that b4 i will b at them sat evening, but this is getting good...real good.