Thanks for the info, Back on nights for a few days (shift work). Will be scouting 11/3 for areas i plan to hunt 11/4 thru 11/6 and again on 11/9 (public land).I have a couple more questions, of all the stuff ive read through-out the summer an up till now, peak breeding is suppose to be going on now.If this is the case and the buck to doe ratio is skewed more heavily toward the does, as it is supposed to be on the east coast, since most bucks dont live past 1 1/2 yrs old because of hunting pressure(info from books by Alshiemer,lerue,laroche).The question is, with these supposed circumstances, should i be stayin on stand all day if the bucks are staying with the does for up to 72hrs and only moving when the does that are being tended move or is that the point, your tryin to intercept them as they follow the does to the feeding areas. Im not a rack hunter at this point,but it would be an added bonus,its hard enough with out choosing the sex of the animal.One other question,if you could only buy one stand would it be a climber or a hang on. I fell for the treelounge marketing and its just not a realistic stand choice for the areas i have to hunt and i dont have that many days i can hunt all day any way,let alone having that perfect tree that is definitely needed.Thanks for any input