Thanks for the replies,
The MZ's do load a little rough especialy on a clean bore, Mine seem to load much smoother after a fouling shot and a spit patch. I switched from the shockwaves after a few little to no blood trails and a lost 8 point, the 2 doe I shot both died relatively fast but with no sign hardly on the ground. The 8 point was a quartering 2 me shot right in the shoulder, I'm pretty sure the bullet fragged on the bone. Barnes will have a balistic tip available at the end of the month, which they are saying expands a 1050fps and still all copper. I'll be giving these a try as well. I also have some dead centers to try as well, but I realy like what I'm getting out of the MZ's so far. Thanks again.