i used 250gr shockwaves 100gr. 777 loose powder. shot a 125 lbs doe in the neck. the bullet passed through. but the deer droped right there. i also shot a small buck same set-up. struck him behind the ribs it also passed through,he went about 20yds. both shot at about 40yds. never found the bullets. but the deer were both dead. i think i'll stick with this set-up for now. jmtcw.

jjo