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Old 01-17-2006 | 10:28 AM
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jf5
 
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Default RE: NY do u think we should have a antler restrictions?

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Not everybody cares about trophy deer , in fact most people couldn't care less about them .Trophy hunters are a minority , mosthunters just want to get a deer , any deer .
Not everyone who supports AR feels it is a trophy restriction. Too many guys associate AR with trophy snobs. Thats not the case...
True enough , but those of us who don't trophy hunt still have to live with those pipe dream restrictions just as you do when you get them installed . I don't like being told that I have no choice but to shoot a buck that has "antlers out to here" or a minimum number of points when all I want is to hunt in peace and all you have to do is be more selective .Forcing everybody to hunt the way you do is just wrong . In my state a buck isn't considered to be antlered unless it has at least one antler that's at least 3" long . But depending on what county you're hunting in here youcan take up to 12 antlerless deer , what's to stop you from shooting nothing but buttons and skewing the buck to doe ratio ? You see , it works both ways sometimes .

Education is the key , not foolish restrictions that force others to hunt the way you do . If bagging a buck with a rack like the Charter Oak is what turns your crank then encourage others to think that way too , but don't try to force them to do it your way , you'll turn off more than you turn on . Don't press your state F&G dept. for restrictions , ask the biologists that your tax dollars are paying for what it will take to gradually improve the herd , herds don't change overnight regardless of what we do . Improve access opportunities by convincing farmers and other landowners that allowing hunters to take out their "nuisance deer" is a good thing and won't cost them anything . While you're performing that service work toward balancing the ratio of the deer that you don't shoot so that you can get closer to your goal of a balanced ratio in that area .

Honey attracts far more flies than vinegar , strive for a balance between what you want and what everybody else wants . Farmers and insurance companies want less deer , fine , take out more deer but take them out in an educated way . Rank and file hunters , who outnumber trophy hunters , just want to go out for the few days each year that they do and just hunt , leave them alone . Your state F&G dept. wants to maintain an overall healthy herd , fine , help them . Volunteer for cull hunts where the deer are overpopulated and take them out . Donate the carcasses to a food bank or other program for the hungry if you can , or just select a local family who needs the meat and cut and package it for them . This one is a favorite of mine , I like to give back a little for what I've received and the result is immediate .

You see ? It doesn't always have to be about braggin' rights , and if you work it right everbody wins . Think about it .
Well, not all feel the restrictions are foolish.We have size limits for fish to maintain a healthy, and balanced adult population. You are in fact "TOLD", not to harvest fish of a certain size, etc. Should those laws be repealed too??Most states alreadyhave a 3" spike min which is an AR as well, and restricts the way people harvest game. So you are alreadyTOLD what you can harvest there too. Whats the issue of upping it a notch for deer? I am not saying you have to make it 130 class only, or 4 points per side. But a few males making post the spike stage could help improve the overall herds male age strcuture. And the herd will be better forit in the long run as will the hunting for all hunters.

Game laws should be reviewed and changed accordingly with the changing situations. It has worked well for fisheries, and for game animals. I know its hard to change tradition, but AR is notabout trophy snobs ideals.
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