thanks for the advice man. yah like you said picking a bow is half the battle. hell i had to have shot probably 10 bows before i picked the one i have. i think it was the consistancey of the bow with me and the guy at the proshop said that my form with that bow looked better than with the other bows i had shot. and from 15-20 yards i was grouping in 5-6 inch circles. so i didnt think that was bad. im not all that new to bows but as for hunting with them i am. ive shot pleaty but not enough to go out and take a massive buck...lol. well thanks agian man any opinion..i mean "info" helps.