I was cheap a few years ago and bought some new(not pulldown) WC-872. The load data is the same as H-870. I love this powder. I load my 7mm Rem Mag with all that will fit in the case 79grs and it pushes all bullets fast and true. I only payed $36.00 for 8lbs + has mat and I have already ordered another 8lbs. This is great stuff and I have also found loads for my 280,243,and the 338. Plan to try a bunch of other loads this summer. -----Jovan