If you want to get an idea of how big some "Southern" deer are, go to [www.publichuntingland.com] They take photos of live trophy deer on PUBLIC LAND and post the photos to that web site in the hOTSPOT section. They also post the exact GPS coordinates of where each photo was taken. They have some VERY nice deer located on PUBLIC land in ala Texas, Tennessee, and some MONSTER ELK