I got mine from Cabela's a couple years back. They look just like the 405 gr. hollowpoint (which I think the one you show on the right in your photo), except without the hollowpoint. Anyway, I was mainly responding to your comment that somehow the Colorado Division of Wildlife regarded the non-sabot projectiles as more effective/lethal when they banned the sabots. I was a part of that discussion and can assure you just the opposite was the case. They were afraid the line between high performance muzzleloaders and medium caliber centerfire rifles was started to blur together.

But I very much appreciate your point of view. I like shooting theseconicals and have seen some bigelk wobble andfall after being hit with such a large chunk of lead. I remember just this past September the soundof a 410 grain conical hitting and elk in the ribs at about 150 yards. There was no doubt that this was a good hit. I alsoagree with the comments about Buffalo hunting withbig lead conicals. And I respect each shooter's preference to use guns and loads at various levels of traditionalism and performance. Thanks for providing a bunch of thought provoking comments to this topic. Regards. Roskoe