Pglasgow

In my mind efficient means - quicker to get there hence flatter - less time in flight hence quicker to the target - more velocity hence more energy. Heavier bullets really do not always produce more energy - velocity produces energy - same reason I can shoot a 200 grain bullet in my win mag and far out produce the energy of the 460.

In my mind effiecency at the target means - penetration through what ever it hits bone or tissue - hydrostatic shock (still think it should be hydraulic shock) sponging the vitals, a good sized exit wound losing blood fast. Spinning copper knives cutting their way through and each time the animal moves more cutting.

I guess you will just have to look at these two ballistic charts and show me where I am really lagging behind. I see a whole lot of advantages,of course I want to see advantages. Can not imagine me shooting 200 yards but a 9" drop isn't bad. Even if you compare a more realistic 75 yard target i really do not see where I am hurting. The only difference is the one that I see people use all the time "make a big hole" granted your hole going in is bigger not sure that it is any bigger on the way through or when it exits.

Speed does kill and bigger is not always better

One last thing - I hunt all year with this gun while most everyone else is using their centerfires. I do have a small handi-cap no 209's or scopesduring ML season

These charts were using 100 grains of t7-2f loosefor the Speers and shot across my chrono the 1750 was the average of 9 shots, the 460 were 80 grains if my memoryis correct and only took 3 shots. The ballitics of the 460 are rather good - I think good enough I would have to do moreresearch if I had to choose between them and apowerbelt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/sabotloader/Ballistics460NE.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/sabotloader/300gr.jpg

thanks for the input...

mike