Well lets see I have been bow hunting for 16 years and have gotten deer every year with and with out bait. Unfortunately the buck I harvested in 2002 (the 8 pointer) did not sport more than 8 points. Why, I have no clue. It just happend that way. When id set up my stand where I knew he was comming from hed come in everyday but just out a comfortable range. That is why I didnt take him earlier. I studied this buck for quite sometime. Like I said, I knew this buck on a personal level. And I didnt use bait to get him or attract him to my stand. I didnt want him to become noctornal. He came in naturally opening morning of gun season of 2002 and I took him out. He was the only buck I was focused on that year. I even passed up a nice 10 pointer the lastweek of bow season while hunting another standin another location on our property, because I dont hunt near my rifle the last week of bow season because gun season opens that same weekend. Heres a pic of the 8.