bigbulls, I don't know if I agree with you on that, yes 180 grains are awesome but in some situations 200 grain bullets are a better choice. If I was going after big bears with a .300 mag.I would want and use the .200 grain slug and not the 180's. For elk I do like the 180 grain pills,but I don't have to worry about a elk chewing me up either. I guess better safe than sorry is what I'm trying to say.