i tried that patch puller and it worked fine.i got down into that area where powder sits.guess what came out, BORE BUTTER. i dont want that sitting in there.i guess i will clean that area now.i think i will not put anything in there as of now unless someone has a reason too.i believe i can get one of those birchwood sheath little rags in there to.but, is it necessary. i like your idea on patch puller, it worked great.