Remember DM, I am keeping my velocity below 1000 fps. You are right, I wantpenetration AND expansion. That is exactly what I amtesting for. At this low velocity I am trying to get the biggest punch I can. As you know a 300 grain bullet at 975 fps has more thump than a 250 grain bullet at 975 fps assuming it expands enough to deposit some of its energy into the beast. As stated above, I have had the opportunity to test on one living critter. It had a 44 cal in hole and a 44 cal out hole. Although the hog died quickly I cannot help but think I little expansion might have hastened his death especially If I had not made such a fabulous shot. Maybe there is not a 300 grainer made with a soft enough alloy and thin enough jacket to do what I want. Maybe the Nosler shown above is the bullet that I am looking for but there is something about a bullet that parts ways with its jacket that irritates me. Then again I only want the jacket to get the bullet out of the barrel. hmmmmm. Has anyone had any experience with the Ranier plated bullets?