dennyf, can i offer some info,not being smart to you.you said 30/40 DOE ran by us.here is way it was,you could put a drive on and get 10or 12 deer a drive to come by.some of them were on next drive.you would have , maybe 5 bucks ,6 doe ,and fawns.you always hadclose to 1/3 as bucks,little ones and big ones.i did have 35 deer come by me in 1 drive once. out of that 13 were bucks with horns,rest doe and fawns and button bucks.so, if it was all DOE,i would be first to say we had too many DOE.we did not .we never shot little bucks.next year we would have alll nice bucks to hunt. out of 20 in our crew,we would get 15buck a hunting season and maybe 5 or 6 doe to keep herd in line for next year. we only shot old doe to.sorry i rambled but if we had to many DOE, i weould agree with your comment.take care