good post,germaine.i dont have to add anything to it.we dont want 30 deer a drive but it would be nice to go home and say you saw 10 or 15 deer for days hunt.i have friends that never saw deer the first week of season and many that saw only 2 or 3.i saw 4 deer for 2 weeks of hunting here in 2g clinton county.oh, yes, they are hiding or wayback or we dont know how to hunt anymore., even penn state said we dont know how to hunt,ha. take care