Years ago, I loaded a couple of boxes of 130 gr Hornadysfor my son when he just started. I did this because the recoil was noticibly less. They shot well out of his Rem 700 and he took a nice buck with this bullet with me along side coaching him and telling him where to place the shot. To recommend them as a 'deer' bullet for any hunting circumstance - definately not. As a minimum, I would use 150s.