thanks for your responses. i am only on the part i have permission to hunt. and the 2 doing the whining are actually hunting on someone elses land who we are 99.9% sure they have never contacted. they have bad mouthed anyone who has tried to hunt the spot. saying that they have hunted there 25 years and everyone else should stay out. earlier in the season my buddy confronted the old man about his mouth. and that was his defense. that he's been there 25 years.