Bill Hober Presdent and CEO of Swift Bullet company called and we discussed the Scirocco II. What Roskoe said is true, seems people with high velocity (Warbird, Ultra mags)guns were shooting deer at 80 yards and the bullets were not holding together well, the orginalScirocco's were designed to strikeanimal's at 3000 fps down to 1440 fps, the Scirocco II is designed to strike animals up to 3300 fps down to 1700 fps. So it seems they have toughened the Scirocco, enough Mr Hober said it's almost as tough as the Aframe.Well I will wait and see, I have ordered enough orginal'sto keep me happy for some years to come, wish I had more money to by 270 and 7mm bullets. I am looking forward to the 25 cal bullet though.