Camocop, thanks alot for the tips, I plan to go out to Joe Budd this Friday and Saturday, I think your defenatly right that JB has the best hunting of any of the managment area's I've been to so far. I'll be going home (south florida) for Christmas break, so Ill be missing most of the Archery season at Joe Budd, when I get back up here around january 8th, the archrey/muzzleloading season starts, so I'm looking forward to that already. Once again thank you for you tips and suggestions, I'll let you know if I'm ever around central florida. Thanks, Chris